tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post5104130879102801296..comments2024-02-13T23:05:30.411+00:00Comments on An accidental blog: Annihilationismstevebishophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-2193364746783257892007-11-03T23:47:00.000+00:002007-11-03T23:47:00.000+00:00Hi Glenn,Thnaks for the link - I'll check it out.T...Hi Glenn,<BR/><BR/>Thnaks for the link - I'll check it out.<BR/><BR/>The Travis quote is from <I>I Believe in the Second Coming of Jesus</I> (London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1988).stevebishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-62195891542545615152007-11-03T23:37:00.000+00:002007-11-03T23:37:00.000+00:00My mistake earlier. I got the URL for the article ...My mistake earlier. I got the URL for the article wrong. It's actually at http://www.beretta-online.com/articles/theology/articles_theology.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-65436095235097575652007-11-02T02:49:00.000+00:002007-11-02T02:49:00.000+00:00steve, you noted, Stephen Travis has suggested tha...steve, you noted, Stephen Travis has suggested that it could legitimately be translated as "punishment of the age to come' and 'the life of the age to come'".<BR/><BR/>What publication is that, I'd like to check it out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-15750540771984498062007-11-02T02:47:00.000+00:002007-11-02T02:47:00.000+00:00I was glad to see John Depoe's clarifying comment ...I was glad to see John Depoe's clarifying comment here. When I first read the blog entry, suggesting that John saw <I>no</I> support for the view I thought - he can't possible be serious!<BR/><BR/>I for one find the attempts to rebut the biblical case for annihilationism to be strained at best. I did my own small part in attempting to demonstrate that earlier this year in JETS, with a response from Dr Robert Peterson. Decide for yourself whether the attempt had any success (you can see my piece and the response <A HREF="http://www.beretta-online.com/articles/theology" REL="nofollow">here</A>).<BR/><BR/>And D Howard - you say "If Annihilation were true then eternal life and salvation would just be an option."<BR/><BR/>I don't see the problem here. Are you suggesting that it's not just an option?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-27283479514077550912007-05-01T12:49:00.000+01:002007-05-01T12:49:00.000+01:00I thought the motivation for spreading the word wa...I thought the motivation for spreading the word was the love of God - not the fear of hell? Anyway, Mt 25:46 is a tricky one I admit. Stephen Travis has suggested that it could legitimately be translated as "punishment of the age to come' and 'the life of the age to come'". It may also be that the effects of the punishment are eternal; an eternal punishment rather than an eternal punishing. <BR/><BR/>I like the paintings on your site, by the way.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>Stevestevebishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-77870326792161241072007-05-01T00:58:00.000+01:002007-05-01T00:58:00.000+01:00What you don't know won't hurt you.Matthew 25v46 o...What you don't know won't hurt you.<BR/>Matthew 25v46 one of the gospels declares - "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal"<BR/>Punishment is meted out on a subject, an aware subject.<BR/>Turn or burn is exactly one of the tenents of the gospel. What would be the point of salvation otherwise.David Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590506597185115091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-46340682137880370482007-04-30T20:31:00.000+01:002007-04-30T20:31:00.000+01:00Hi D Howard,Thanks for your comment. I can't see ...Hi D Howard,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment. I can't see that annihilation would weaken the need for salvation. Annihilation doesn't mean that there is not some form of judgement. Does anyone really desire annihilation? (I suppose some Buddhists might.) Kvanvig his book <I> The problem of Hell</I> suggests that annihilation is a metaphysical capital punishment and that the standrd view is a metaphysical life imprisonment - this would suggest that annihilation 'assigns a more severe punishment' than the traditional view!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, 'turn or burn' is not the gospel!<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>Stevestevebishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-29337863154309365332007-04-30T20:12:00.001+01:002007-04-30T20:12:00.001+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.stevebishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-68098126831168816742007-04-30T20:12:00.000+01:002007-04-30T20:12:00.000+01:00Hi Johhny,Thanks for that clarification. I'm sorr...Hi Johhny,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that clarification. I'm sorry if I misrepresented you in my post.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>Stevestevebishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485378930192829175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-88120126906274358542007-04-30T14:31:00.000+01:002007-04-30T14:31:00.000+01:00If Annihilation were true then eternal life and sa...If Annihilation were true then eternal life and salvation would just be an option. Annihilation weakens the need for salvation, it's like a softer Hell. Some may prefer annihilation as a form of escape/rest. Sort of a form of denial and an escape out of prison card.<BR/>'A dream that vanishes', would make a good title/subject for a painting.David Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05590506597185115091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10641870.post-79539967528346205722007-04-30T14:14:00.000+01:002007-04-30T14:14:00.000+01:00I think you peg me as being too stringent against ...I think you peg me as being too stringent against annihilationism. I certainly am not an annihilationist. But I'm not suggesting that it is utterly implausible or without any biblical support. I intended my more modest conclusion to be that the traditional understanding of hell is more strongly supported by scripture and reason than annihilationism. I am quite open to the possibility that annihilationism is true. So, I hope you don't get the impression that I'm completely unsympathetic to the view.Johnny-Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15636554916718241492noreply@blogger.com